What the hell is Krysty wearing on her legs -let alone her feet, on the cover of this one ?

It looks like to me she wearing leggings on her. But until I get the book I won't be sure.

WHAT !! No Blue cowboy boots

And here we are, back to the subject of boots on the cover again...

Thanks Baz for the trip down memory lane

LOL

Posted By Another One Eyed Chiller on 15 Jun 2009 05:53 PM
  ...Now I am on "Blood Lines"

I just finished it, and it was enjoyable, not great, not bad...however there is a big problem....about 2/3 of the way through the book, Jak is sent back to the UCV to warn Roberto about the trap.

for the next 50 pages, Jak is still with Ryan and the others...then they see a missile shot off from the UCV, and Ryan says "There's Jak's signal"....and he's back at the UCV again.

so either the author completely forgot that Jak was sent back to the UCV to wait for and warn Roberto, or Jak has suddenly developed teleportation powers without the need for a matter-trans device.

Posted By Another One Eyed Chiller on 15 Jun 2009 08:34 PM
Yeah,even though it has been over 14 years since I read it last,I do remember it is about some sort of Vampires?(Blood Lines)
Could you please answer my questions sir?How old are Jak and Dean now?I left off when Dean was in a Finishing school at age 11/12 and Jak was 16.
Also,was Dean kidnapped?whats the story on that?Like I said,I have only been back for the last 2 books after a 7 yr absense.
Thanks,and I hope you accept my apology about Bob Dillan?

So Jerichogirl liked it.

I did too...somewhat. Needed deeper characterizations to make me care. Action became too busy and all the same near the end.
I caught myself speedreading the last 40 pages.

Not good.

Hell yes!

How did you already get it?I am waiting for Barnes and Nobel to call me in a week or 2 with mine.

Really?Trader?Hunaker(man she was hot w/her green hair)

I just got done reading it . And i must say still better then a couple of the books. as for jak and the UCV with the stickies yes it was messed up as for the missile he was driving the thing and was never with the crew when the fighting broke out.  all and all i give it 4 out of 5

I also noticed that the Author had Jak in two places at once. He also said JB was unable to open the Sheriff's safe, but later he had JB produce a bag of diamonds he took from that same safe.

And then a suspicious flaw appears early in the story when the author describes Doc removing a shot shell from his LaMat and replacing it with a fresh one, when we all know his weapon is a muzzle loader.  It made me wonder if Nick deliberately stuck in this error to tweak the noses of the weapons geaks.

Posted By North on 08 Jul 2009 09:56 AM

I also noticed that the Author had Jak in two places at once. He also said JB was unable to open the Sheriff's safe, but later he had JB produce a bag of diamonds he took from that same safe.

And then a suspicious flaw appears early in the story when the author describes Doc removing a shot shell from his LaMat and replacing it with a fresh one, when we all know his weapon is a muzzle loader.  It made me wonder if Nick deliberately stuck in this error to tweak the noses of the weapons geaks.

Sorry to bother ya again but as far as if you are a gun nut like me,I have a whole list of gun"mistakes" that the authors make.

Laurence James had Traders"Battered Armalite" rifle chambered for a 9mm pistol cartridge!(that gun is in 5.56mm)an intermediate round!(No rifle in the world fires a pistol round)
Ryan's Sig Sauer has a"bulit in baffle silencer"(does not exist)
Plus as much as I love the SIG P226,Laurence James is constantly refering to it as a "huge blaster",The 9MM round is hardly the hand cannon that it has been made out to be by LJ and others.I love the 9mm Sig,I even own one,but the .45 caliber pistol is a "powerful Blaster"not Ryans 9mm!AlsoJ.b.s Uzi comes with 20 and 30 rd mags,not just 20 like the books say.

Posted By Another One Eyed Chiller on 09 Jul 2009 07:16 PM
...No rifle in the world fires a pistol round...

No offense takren my friend but you are quite wrong.Carbines Fire an intemediate non rifle,yet too large to be a pistol round.The 9mm round when fired from a larger than pistol sized gun is a submachine gun.

That beretta c4x storn=m you mentioned is not an assault rifle or a true carbine.it is a pistol with an extension to make it look like a carbine,also the Ruger Mini 14 fires a 5.56mm  intermediate round.
I hate to prove you wrong but I work part time in a gun shop,and have had millitiary training,2 years in the 8th cav scout first gulf war.
Too sum it up,Rifles fire large rounds like 308 or 30'06,our Mi garrands fired 30' 0'6 rounds in WW2 and Korea.The M16 fires an internmediate .223 round(too large for a subgun or pistol,yet to small for a rifle)Any time the 9mm or .45 caliber pistol round is fired ,unless it it's coming out of a submachine gun it is coming out of a pistol.
If you doubt me go to wickepedia.
P.s
The DEA has a M16 styled rifle that fires 9mm ammo.
It is calles a "Submachine gun"not a carbine.
Carbines fire intermediate rounds,not pistol rounds.

Only pistols and subguns fire pistol rounds

Sure you have a good point Jim,but if you recall I was originally discussing the matter with another gun enthusiast who also had a problem with how the fire arms in Death Lands are handled.

And I would have to politely disagree about your comparing the believability of the mat trams units,Stickies and freezies etc...

Those things are all ficticious,while an UZI and the nonexistent 9mm rifle are supposed to be based in reality.(oh yeah,don't you think JB would be combat savy enought to use 30 rd mags?)

I believe I was recenrly berated by an author on this site,his exact words were"whether the book is a work of fiction or not it has to be based in reality or else it is nothing more than fantasy like "The Lord Of The Rings"
I understabd that you don't seem to know or care about firearms which is ok,but I was born and bred with them so something like James Laurence having an assault rifle firing a  9mm pistol cartridge is ridiculous to me and insulting to my intelligence.
Hell,why not have Trader simply use a 9mm pistol or submachine gun if he wants him to fire a 9mm round..
p.s.
Believe me a 9mm rifle is a far bigger stretch of the imagination because by it's very definition it's use of a pistol round makes it a pistol or a submachine gun.In order for a weapon to be called a rifle it must fire a rifle round.

Sure you have a good point Jim, but if you recall I was originally discussing the matter with another gun enthusiast who also had a problem with how the fire arms in Death Lands are handled.

I don’t have a problem with this talk away…

And I would have to politely disagree about your comparing the believability of the mat trams units,Stickies and freezies etc...

Those things are all ficticious, while an UZI and the nonexistent 9mm rifle are supposed to be based in reality.(oh yeah, don't you think JB would be combat savvy enough to use 30 rd mags?)

OK so we don’t have a problem with fictitious things like Mat-trans units and such, but we do with fictitious weapons –strange? Obviously DL takes place in an alternative universe as we didn’t see Washington get destroyed back in 2001 so who is to say that in the DL universe the human race didn’t develop 9mm rifles, and what if only 20 round mags existed in this alternative world?

If J.B is so combat savvy then why the hell is he allowing not only himself but the rest of his companions to wander round with such a strange and eclectic choice of firearms?

I understand that you don't seem to know or care about firearms which is ok, but I was born and bred with them

Assume away, what you choose to understand about my knowledge of firearms is your prerogative, you‘re not the only unproven military type around here. As for what I care about them, well at the moment in the real world not a lot so long as no one chooses to point one at me that is!

So something like James Laurence having an assault rifle firing a 9mm pistol cartridge is ridiculous to me and insulting to my intelligence.

Just for your information James is his surname and Laurence his given name. The idea of muties evolving within 3 or so generations, massive biowep worms and dogs insult my intelligence but I read the books to escape from the dull, real world I’m now forced to work in, nothing more.

Hell, why not have Trader simply use a 9mm pistol or submachine gun if he wants him to fire a 9mm round...
p.s.
Believe me a 9mm rifle is a far bigger stretch of the imagination because by its very definition its use of a pistol round makes it a pistol or a submachine gun. In order for a weapon to be called a rifle it must fire a rifle round.

Why not have him use a catapult and spit balls instead?

If the author wants him to kill a goon with that or a sharpened mango he will. The item in question is a “PROP” to help the story along nothing more, so what he uses is immaterial to the finality of the tale.

On a final note I can’t remember (I will have to check this out) but is Trader described as using a “Battered Armalite” or a “Battered Armalite rifle”? I only ask as Armalite produce both rifles and carbines.

Could trader not have used a 9mm Armalite carbine (or retooled model)?

Right, I will leave you to your chat –enjoy !!

P.s.Jim,

It seems to me that talking to you is like talking to a brick wall,you only hear what you want and choose to ignore facts that i state(not opinions)I was trying to be friendly and you seem to get off on being a prick.Oh yeah once again you say something ignorant for a man of your education"maybe since it is in an alternate world they invented 9mm rifles" uhh duh!Once again I have to point out that a weopon firing a 9mm round is by it;s very definition a pistol or SubGun.

Also your saying that you have no interest in guns in "the real world" unless one is pointed at you is one of the silliest things I have ever heard.In this very"real world" that we live in firearms are a harsh and necessary reality,unless you lead some sheltered life that I am not privy too.

Even alot of women own and use guns for sport and protection.

And I find it hillarious that you,someone who has probably never even owned or fired a gun is going to offer his uninformed opinions on guns to someone who owns and has been shooting firearms since age 8.Including an Uzi 9mm/Mac 10.45/SIG 9mm/380/22/44 magnum/M16 a2/!2 gauge Mossberg/5 shot taurus38/S&W 9mm's,etc......and a slew of ruger 9mm pistols

No ron,I dissagree,Jim making smart ass comments like using spit balls was uncalled for.

But I see how it is,you pretty much back your Veteran members no matter what they say.

Posted By Diablo on 10 Jul 2009 11:30 PM
Wait a min,did I see AOEC get banned from the DL's forums?

Posted By Ron Miles on 11 Jul 2009 08:24 AM

Posted By Diablo on 10 Jul 2009 11:30 PM
Wait a min,did I see AOEC get banned from the DL's forums?

Yes.

Posted By Ron Miles on 11 Jul 2009 08:24 AM

Posted By Diablo on 10 Jul 2009 11:30 PM
Wait a min,did I see AOEC get banned from the DL's forums?

Yes.

Posted By Ron Miles on 11 Jul 2009 11:30 AM
That being said, he was banned because of posts and private messages he sent that were abusive and completely beyond the pale. The relevant public messages have been either edited or deleted by me. Had he not made those posts, he would still be a member here.

Posted By mikeclr on 13 Jul 2009 10:34 AM
Personally I like the LeMat and think Doc should keep it. It adds to his character to have an eclectic personal weapon since he is an eclectic character. Doc is no Mack Bolan or John Thomas Roarke by any means!

The one thing I would do though is have Doc pick up a second handgun---a Colt M1917 .45 revolver---double action, easily reloaded, fairly standard caliber in .45 ACP (Doc would need to find a nice supply of half-moons with it), and old fashioned and nostalgic enough to stay in character.

Yeah,I read those posts and I disagree.

There are alot of people on here who post alot harsher things and the guy(AOEC) was defending himself from attacks if you ask me.
I hardly think the man having real knowledge of firearms constitutes a weird tangent.
But you may have a point,everyone here would be better served to discuss things nice and calmly.

No I strongly disagree there sir.Ol "One Chills" was a little off in the head perhaps where as I think AOEC was angry in his tone,yeah,but was kinda barraged with some name calling and insults that put him on the defensive perhaps?

I don't think standing up to cyberbully's is necessary a bad thing.even though he should have tried harder to not lose his temper.

Haha,Ok.

The guy everyone is talking about is actually a close friend and roomate of mine and he does have some temper issues.But I assure you my friend that he discussed the things he went through on this site and he definetly did not "Fear Or Despise" anyone.

He was just upset with a general level of unfriendliness from a select few and some insults and name calling he received.

He actually used some 4 letter expletives to get himself banned on purpose.
So Cerberus dude you are not quite accurate.

My friend(roomie)Aoec wanted me to apologize to you for one thing he said about the IRA.He say's to say he is sorry for your friend and that he was just sayi ng what kind of rifle they use,not trying to hurt or insult you.

Thanks.

I will tell AOEC what you said sir.He will appreciate that at least one person saw what he was trying to say.

yeah,he does fly off the handle.LOl!

I'm working on him about that.He just doesn't handle arguing well.LOL!

Finally some firearms talk!

Yeah,I hope JB or someone adds a Colt 1911 myself.

I own and love the Sig 9MM,but a .45 Caliber has way more stopping power for a mutie or sec man!

You know your guns sir.

I have owned a blued and a stainless P89 and a polymer P95 and while they are good reliable guns,they are kind of clunky and way less ergonomic than a Glock(owned and sold one o' those too)

Nothing beats a SiG Sauer in 9MM.(Just my opinion)

You are quite right!

The Glock 21 or Glock 17 would make more sense to me,even a Glock 22/23 as now most police agencies and the feds all use 9MM or mostly .40 caliber Glocks or Sigs.The 10 MM round is kind of obsolete due to the .40 cal and .357 Sig round.
Still,I am impressed,you really know your guns!

Actually he kind of got himself banned on purpose.

He is gonna laugh his ass off when I tell him the huge list of comments pro and (mostly)con about him.haha!

He said some guy on here was cool and asked him about 300 named Diablo?I guess thats you,yeah,me am him are roomates.(AOEC)
He said to say hey?

Are you Mark Ellis?

AOEC actually is a fan of yours.

By the way his "cursed screen name" actually is for a real reason.
The guy is blind in one eye(serious)and a Vet(Gulf war 91') so funny enough he actually is yet  "Another One Eyed Chiller".LOL!!!!

I am new so sorry if I am asking this in the wrong forum....

Are you writing the "Slaughter Realms" Books Mr.Miles?
I read somewhere that you said you were not an author yet you own this site?
If you are not the writer is it the author who wrote the 2 Death Lands books that the Daniel Desipio character was in?(I assume?)
Thanks!

Posted By One Eyed Vengance on 17 Jul 2009 08:19 AM

No I strongly disagree there sir.Old "One EYE Chills" was perhaps a little off in the head(never talked w/him) perhaps where as I think AOEC was just angry in his tone,but was kind of barraged with some name calling and insults that put him on the defensive perhaps?

I don't think standing up to cyberbully's is necessary a bad thing.even though he should have tried harder to not lose his temper.

No Ron That is completly untrue.I know you own the site and I do not wish to be banned. I have read the post where Jim was being insulting and argumentitive.AOEC simply stated facts about firearms.He said nothing that deserved you jumping his ass like you did in a very insulting manner.I find it awfully coincidental too that the only friend you have besides 2 authors is JIM???Aoec did make those insulting comments to Jim only after you blatantly sided with your buddy.Perhaps you might have done the same?I have also noticed that Jim has a tendency to insult newbies by calling then Trolls,yet you never seem to reprimand him?Or the countless other veterans that insult/harass/and call the new members names?
I appreciate that you run this site and I am grateful.It's just that you may consider running it fairly?
You should not have to referee adults,but if you do have to reprimand one then you should be fair and reprimand all involved in the arguing?Just a thought.I apologize if this uopsets you and I hope I do not get banned for voicing my opinion.

Yeah,sorry(i'm new).

I think i have it figured out now.I was tring to answer things one at a time that people said and I guess it turned out wrong.

I think I have it now though,sorry again.

Yeah I got ya. Thanks.

I only posted so much today cause it was the first chance I had had to see all those posts about stuff that I had an opinion on.

From now on I am posting one reply at a time onlt to each letter I get in my e-mail.That should solve my multiple posting issues,correct?

In reality my knowledge of military fire arms is quite limited.  I'm more of a long gun man.  Do a little hunting for whitetails here in Manitoba for which I use a  Remington Model 760 .308 "Game-master" . A Remington spr94 .410/22 overunder for rabbits and grouse, and a Winchester Mauser model 66  .270 for Varmints (coyote, fox, fisher, martin, etc) and Pronghorn when I'm in Alberta. Use a veriity of slugs but mostly 130 grain for my .270 and 225 for my .308 for plowing bush (don't need speed anyway when your only getting 50 yards max of visibility).

Aww no way man.I think me and Mike clr can have a civil discussion without it getting ugly.I certainly mean no offense in any way ok?Don't worry this ain't gonna be another thing like w/my pal AOEC I promise!I just tend to state facts about firearms because I really honestly do have the facts and my intention is not to piss off anyone at all.

You are right that some of those guns would make ok weapons and I get ya about prefering pistols and Shotguns.I love Semi auto's myself(prefer 9mm's and .45 calibers)I also like Mossberg Persuader's or Mossberg "500"' 12 gauge shotgun.
But my favorite weapon I ever have owned was my Bushmaster XM15 AK Shorty Carbine (an AR 15 5.56mm short barreled rifle)

Thanks for saying something so adult Mike.
We will just have to agree to disagree sometimes(as you so eloquently stated),thats what intelligent fellas should do rather than be assholes towards each other.My apologies if I seemed argumentative,not my intention at all friend.

Thank you my friend.The reason I joined this site is because of AOEC.Him and I are very close.Anything you say He will hear from me.I can tell you man that hearing one person say what you just said will make his day!!!(He say's hey bro!).He should not have insulted Mr.Miles or Jim(that was wrong!)They are both good people.He made a big mistake and took out his frustration with alot of not so friendly a-holes who were calling him names and insulting him on a regular basis.(I know,I read the post's)on these two gentleman.One of the people on here who insulted him quite badly and even got pissy with me is an actual author!What the hell is that about?
By the way,AOEC made enemies real fast because he said 2 things that got hom attacked by an author and a few Outlander's fans:That Laurence James was the best author Death Lands had(2 authors ragged him and insulted that man who is deceased)and he made the terrible error of saying he liked Death Lands better than Outlanders!

this quote is a bash against the series - and thus will be taken by the fanatics of the series as the start of a flame war.

I have not made a single post that didn't bash OL... lol...

Lets drop the statements that will start flame wars and keep things civil here.

Yeah,I think you make some very interesting points Jim.It is kind of sad that their is a war raging between adults that is causing so much fighting on the site.I believe though this is not a new phenomenon but an old problem?

Perhaps we would all be better served if the forum topic "Whch is Better Outlanders or Deathlands" was just pulled altogether?

Posted By Chair-Master on 27 Jul 2009 03:06 AM
I consider myself a fan of anything good that is written.  I've been a Mack Bolan fan since the late 70's and that helped introduce me to OL.  I've read 14 OLs and in my opinion it is a far superior series than anything GE has put out.  I own the whole series but am rationing myself.

I've read hundreds of Bolanverse books and the first 11 DL books.  I enjoy them all for what they are.  All of them have their faults, and some are stinkers, but the bottom line is that I am entertained and I keep spending my money on all of these series.

I look at these books as "pulp" and not in a bad way.  They're fiction and probably cranked out in a fast way by many different authors, some better than others but I'm usually entertained.

When I crack one of these books I leave reality at the door and try to enjoy them for what they are.  This is fiction and "pulp fiction" at that, it's not some pulitzer prize winning novel that has some kind of massive impact on society.

As long as these larger than life tales give me an enjoyable, brief break from real life, I will continue to read them and accept them for what they are.  I don't care what kind of guns they do or do not carry.  In my opinion the stories are about the people not what they shoot.

....

I give up.  this has gone to far and I am perpetuating it by continuing.  Hopefully this will solve the problem.

I actually only own the first 54 books or so JMD.(just started reading again at Plague Lords)

I read them between 17 and 14 years ago so they are like reading brand new books to me now.And frankly,the first ones (33 or so)written by LJ are way better than the latter and especially the current ones!

BTS,I don't know where you started in the series bro,but I have the first 50 or so and since you are my friend man maybe I can mail the ones you need to you.Maybe we can swap some if you have any I missed?Just a thought.I would never make this kind of offer bro,but you are one of the very few people I trust and has not been an ass to me like YOU KNOW WHO.LOL!!!
Mr."Capital D"LOL!!!!!!!

Posted By One Eyed Vengance on 29 Jul 2009 03:26 PM I would never make this kind of offer bro,but you are one of the very few people I trust and has not been an ass to me like YOU KNOW WHO.LOL!!!

Mr."Capital D"LOL!!!!!!!

Nah man.I really aint that concerned enough to want to keep fighting.I am really here for friends not enemies dig?

I do not feel like you "wronged"me as you say.Just that IMO you did fire the first shot(verbally)Like I said though Mike.I do not hate or even dislike you,just that I am not here for insults or arguing ok?

Tell you what bro.Here is a peace offering.Since you obviously know your firearms very well join the gun group.
We can have friendly talks instead of hostile ones.Cool???

Posted By JettaManDan on 29 Jul 2009 11:43 AM
back on Topic!!! I just got and read this book as i do with all DL novels..in about 2 hours! And i was very happy with it..a good story and i like the fact the companions are now re-equipped....it's a little puzzling why the hellhounds were instantly loyal to the Sheriff...and i'm sure it was a way to have another story be written later..but what happened to their kill instinct they were running 100's of miles for? could have been done differently..but on to the next book! I only dislike the fact i devour the books so fast and they only come out every few months..i could read a new one per day! Guess it is too much to ask

Andy I was slammin' on this book at first but it ended well.That being said I still was mostly disapointed w/a Deathlands book until the end when back in the good ol'LJ or Mark Ellis day;s the whole book was freakin amazing.

I am gonna go on and mail you those first books for free man so you can see for yourself how much better they were.You will have to read it to believe me man!Then these new books will be a bit tougher to swallow bro.Trust me,one gun nut DL fan/Kool guy's club member to another ok???lol!
It actually was ok,but I hold DeathLamds to a very high standard cause I was spoiled with the best writers in 86-97(or so)Allan Phillipson is great too.(his "Plague Lords)only good DL books in a while (IMO)