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What personality type does it take to be a pulp fiction author?
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4/14/2009 1:24 PM
    Some people have it and some just don't. Personally, I don't have the creativity and imagination to write fiction.

    I have more of a scientific slant since I was a nuclear propulsion electrician in the Navy and am currently an x-ray, cat scan and MRI tech.

    Although I wrote beaucoup essays in college and will occasionally be inspired with wit, I just don't have the ability to write an intriguing tale.

    So, what is it exactly? Left vs. right sided brain users? Art vs science? Experience and technique? What's your take on the subject?
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    4/14/2009 6:00 PM
    Posted By EZ-E on 14 Apr 2009 01:24 PM
    Some people have it and some just don't. Personally, I don't have the creativity and imagination to write fiction.

    I have more of a scientific slant since I was a nuclear propulsion electrician in the Navy and am currently an x-ray, cat scan and MRI tech.

    Although I wrote beaucoup essays in college and will occasionally be inspired with wit, I just don't have the ability to write an intriguing tale.

    So, what is it exactly? Left vs. right sided brain users? Art vs science? Experience and technique? What's your take on the subject?

    Do you mean people who have tried it for awhile and quit, or people who have died in the traces?
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    4/14/2009 6:26 PM
    I mean in general. What personality "quarks" make you, Alan, so successful an author? Where do you dig w/i yourself to come up with your creative writing? What makes you different? Do you have to wear pretty pink laced panties to get in your creative mode or can you just sit and write. Does it have to be quiet with your lucky toad on the console or what?



    You actually inspired me to post this, Alan, because I was lmao reading some of the analogies in your posts here.
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    4/14/2009 7:19 PM
    Posted By EZ-E on 14 Apr 2009 06:26 PM
    I mean in general. What personality "quarks" make you, Alan, so successful an author? Where do you dig w/i yourself to come up with your creative writing? What makes you different? Do you have to wear pretty pink laced panties to get in your creative mode or can you just sit and write. Does it have to be quiet with your lucky toad on the console or what?



    You actually inspired me to post this, Alan, because I was lmao reading some of the analogies in your posts here.

    It’s all about the panties. Well, thong, actually …

    In my experience, which doesn't necessarily mirror anyone else’s, there are two elements involved: the fear of starving and living in a cardboard box (which forces me to produce pages); and an overwhelming compulsion to write, which it appears people are either born with—or not.  A compulsion means: I am not centered, not content, not myself unless I am working on something—even if I am tortured by not being able to solve a problem, or to even define the problem (first step in solving anything). A compulsion means: I would write fiction even if I couldn’t make a living at it. A compulsion means: I would work for GE for 25 years.

    I spend most of the day, every day of the week, in a dreamworld that I attempt to control. Some days I can’t figure out what’s wrong with the words (it’s always something different); other days they’re right from the moment I sit down.

    I dramatized parts of this, and the "pulp writer lifestyle," in the Daniel Desipio character (Have you looked up the meaning of “desipio” in Latin, yet?) in PL/DR. As I’ve said before, he’s a composite of my experience and the experiences of other pulp writers I’ve known. I’ve been thinking about posting a “biography”of him on the SR site—from his birth to his mysterious disappearance—a complete picture of the evolution and devolution of a pulp writer for hire.

    But again, this is just my take on it, totally skewed and subjective. The other authors who post (and lurk this site) probably see things differently. How 'bout it, guys?  Time to spill the beans?
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    4/16/2009 9:37 PM
    I don't know about writing pulp fiction, but I do know something about writing code. And I would say that I write (code) because I can't NOT write (code). I figure I am going to do it anyway, so I may as well actually get paid for it. Hopefully people enjoy what I write.
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    4/17/2009 11:21 PM
    You know, I was thinking about this particular thread. I thought to myself, am I actually qualified to say what’s on my mind?

    After all, I only co-wrote one novel with Mark. There are those who would say that because of that, because it was so ‘heavily’ edited and so much was changed, that no, I don’t qualify.

    Mark didn’t write it, so it only qualifies as a Fan Fiction, and that I by no means qualify as a writer.

    Then it occurred to me. So what? The opinion of those who stated this, that I’m not a writer or a good fan fiction writer for that matter – well, I just look at the source and realize that their opinion doesn’t mean squat. A lot of what they say comes from jealousy – not at my ability to write, but all other factors.

    So, yes, I guess I am qualified to put my own spin on it.

    Here goes….

    First, you really need to have a powerful imagination. If you don’t have a great imagination, then you can’t spin a great tale.

    I have a fairly boring job. I tend to do nothing but pick and pack scuba, camping gear and parts orders all day. It can be rather monotonous, have no doubt about that.

    So I tend to think a great deal when I’m working. I come up with plot ideas, characters and so forth.

    What do I do with most of these ideas I come up with? Well, truth be told, nothing. Sometimes if I find a particular idea really good, I’ll go home and type it up and store it on disk for possible future reference.

    Exactly what feeds one’s imagination? In my case, pretty much everything around me. I read a great deal. I love movies, and certain TV shows. But when it comes right down to it, even listening to the radio or reading the newspaper can often inspire me.

    Sometimes all it takes is a simple sentence – such as a fairly major story that just took place – Captain rescued by military efforts against Somali pirates.

    If you look hard enough, you can quite easily find inspiration anywhere you look. A famous example - take Ray Bradbury. His office where he writes is filled with all manner of items. Ships, maps, various trinkets and the like.

    All he does is look around his cluttered office and he can find inspiration in anything.

    So, you need imagination and you need to be able to find inspiration in every day things around you.

    After reading that, you’d think that a guy like me should be up there with the likes of Alan, Mark, Chuck and other good writers.

    Well, really, it’s not that simple. First you have to have actual talent. You have to be able to take words and form them not only properly (use of proper grammar, sentence structure, punctuation and of course spelling), but you have to take all that and make it not only interesting, but entertaining to read as well.

    A good author can make the reader care for the characters he creates or writes about, or to be able to picture in their mind a place, object or scene that the writer has described in words.

    Sure anyone can write, but not everyone can write as I have described in the above paragraphs.

    Yes, I have the technical skill and the talent. Sure, my technical skill can use polish, but that is something that comes with practice. After all, I have been writing for well over a decade now, and the stuff that I write today is as different as night and day compared to what I wrote when I first decided to give it a try.

    With that, I qualify in the three topics I brought up. Now for one qualification that I am sorely lacking in.

    Motivation.

    Believe me; I have tried many different ways to motivate myself to write something. I’ve tried writing for the money, I’ve tried writing for pleasure, I’ve tried writing for practice, and I’ve tried writing for friends… I’ve even tried writing for revenge, to show up people for what has been said.

    Honest to god, nothing really works. I get started on something and then I quickly lose interest and stop writing.

    I wish I could find something to really motivate me, but I just can’t.

    On that note, one of the major motivation killers for me for sure is writing and no one reading. Well, I guess there are plenty of people who read what I write, but so very few ever comment on it.

    And bad comments are a horrific motivation killer if there ever was one. It does suck, and suck hard when you can’t even get your own family or close friends to read what you write!

    Also, I need to create my own universe. See, I enjoyed writing my fan fiction for Outlanders, and yes, that included the book I co-wrote with Mark, and when I was a fan of Deathlands, I had hoped to write for the series as well.

    But as time progressed my wishes and tastes changed.

    Now I don’t want to play in someone else’s sandbox. I want to create my own story, my own characters and possibly own the rights to them.

    Just something I’ve learned from Mark over the years.

    Alan, no offense to you, or others like you who make a living off writing for series like Deathlands, but that just isn’t what I want to do.

    So, that, combined with the inability to find appropriate motivation, well, I guess that simply means that I’ll never be published.

    It is kind of sad, when I think about it, but you know, at least I accept that. Hey, at least I have a great kid and a loving wife and a really good life, right?

    Heh, sorry I digress.

    Anyhow, there you have it. My thoughts on what makes a good writer, not just a pulp writer.

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    4/18/2009 10:04 AM
    Posted By Outlanders on 17 Apr 2009 11:21 PM

    Alan, no offense to you, or others like you who make a living off writing for series like Deathlands, but that just isn’t what I want to do.
    Chris
    Why would I take offense? Two things are certain: there's no way you can put yourself in my shoes. You can't really know why I worked on DL for so long.  (A few posts on the subject from me aren't "an explanation.") Just like I can't really know why the other authors continue work on it--I do know they all must have good reasons.

    The other thing is: nothing lasts forever. Writers for hire (with no stake in the game) move on.  Am I a DL writer, or am I a writer who once wrote in the DL series? Am I a GE writer, or did I just work for them, on and off, for about half my life?  Over the course of those years, I worked for many other publishers, book and magazine. Although I may be deluding myself, I never considered myself a DL writer/GE writer.

    And I guess there's a third thing: what I think of myself is all that counts. That's not egotism.  What I mean is, how do I relate to my own shortcomings and strengths?  How do I measure up to what I believe are my own standards?  And above all, am I merciful in thought and deed not just to others, but to myself?

    Wow, this is getting kind of heavy. I wish I could think of a joke ...

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    4/18/2009 8:32 PM
    Two writers-for-hire walk into a bar...


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    4/18/2009 9:21 PM
    ...which is really stupid, because the second writer should have seen the first one.

    >>rim shot<<
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    4/18/2009 10:01 PM
    Posted By The Phantom on 18 Apr 2009 08:32 PM
    Two writers-for-hire walk into a bar...



    What makes you think writers-for-hire can afford to drink in bars? 

    Or maybe they just wanted to use the free restroom for a quick face, pit, and butt wash?
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    4/27/2009 10:44 AM
    If i was a writer for hire i'd never even go near a bar ;-)

    for me..i think i have the creatvie talent, i think i have the background, and i'm trying to write my own book. Problem for me is time. Having an involving dayjob, having a family that is about to add another person to it, having hobbies that take up time...it's DIFFICULT....I have about 30 pages of copy..but it has take me YEARS to do....not the pace i'd need to be on....for me i get inspiration everywhere..stuff i read..stuff i see....i banged out like 8 pages of stuff releated to DL until a very nice person on here pointed out that GE might have something to say about characters they have TM'd...maiing it an impossible proposition to publish without they picking it up..i think you need the time and motiviation and ability to crank out copy that is good and original and complete....very hard..and makes my appreication for authors like Alan go up everyday....
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