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6/3/2010 1:05 PM
Posted By Ron Miles on 02 Jun 2010 07:39 PM

Random piece of trivia: back in the late 90's, before I secured the domain name and teamed up with Chris and Alex, this website was called Overproject Whisper.

Still a quite accurate overview of the TC though.
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6/3/2010 3:15 PM
Posted By Daeglan on 02 Jun 2010 08:06 PM
I am trying to get a feel for what the Totality concept is up to and what are they doing? Are they a force for good? evil? Did they cause the war?

Do they ever answer what the fog with claws was? Is the Totality Concept still running?

The Totality Concept itself was not good or evil...it didn't exactly cause the global holocaust but some branches of it knew Armageddon was coming and took no measures to stop it.

The fog with claws was a forcefield with particles of anti-matter mixed in the energy matrix. The last time it was activated was in the OL novel, Children of the Serpent.

Isolated remanants of various Totality Concept divisions are still around in DL's time but by the time of OL, they had all been absorbed into the Unification Program.


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6/3/2010 3:58 PM
Posted By Daeglan on 02 Jun 2010 05:16 PM
...As well as the info on the totality concept seems to be just stubs with no info in them. is there a place where I can see a overview of the Totality Concept?

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The Totality Concept

Overproject Whisper       - which encompasses:

Project Cerberus – The development of the Mat-Trans Units. HQ Redoubt Bravo or Cerberus Redoubt.

Operation Chronos – The further development of the Mat-Trans units to allow “Time Trawling” –Doc Tanner was the only successful candidate of this project.

Enterprise Eternity – The search for immortality

Project Genesis – Various Genetic Engineering experiments –Muties ?

 

There is also reference to the Soviets having a similar project called Project Szvezda, but nothing much is known about it.

 

I know there is more but I don't have the time to go through all the books for you. I guess as you are looking for all this information you must be the GM for your group, so why not make up your own projects for the players to find. I’m guessing they too have not read the books so use artistic license and a little imagination to bring your own ideas to light.

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6/3/2010 4:08 PM
Posted By Daeglan on 02 Jun 2010 08:06 PM
Because I am gathering info to run a gurps game for some friends who enjoy the series.
Have you checked out another RPG called "The Morrow Project" a post holocaust RPG that is ideal for Deathlands RPG's.

Morrow Project (Timeline LTD.)

or another called AFTERMATH! by FGU

AFTERMATH!

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6/3/2010 4:35 PM
I intend to modify stuff and make stuff up. But having a basic framework to steal from is helpful . Good Writers barrow. Great Writers Steal.

Didn't the Sioux (SP?) in book one come through the Mat Trans? or were they Muties that Doc Tanner called Sioux? It seemed the there was a bunch of them after Trader walked away.

Do the various branches of the Totality Concept know what the others are doing? Or does the left hand not know what the right hand is doing?

What part was Crater Lake attached to?
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6/3/2010 4:42 PM
I don't think the Sioux would much appreciate being called muties. Heck, a fair number of them doing even like being called Sioux - as I recall it is a bastardized shortening of an epithet from another native american tribe describing them as "rattlesnakes".
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6/3/2010 5:16 PM
Yes but were the people Doc called Sioux Sioux or was he out of his gord at the moment and they were just Muties or some such?
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6/3/2010 5:43 PM
The Sioux were the Lakota. They lived in the vicinity.
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6/3/2010 6:14 PM
Posted By Daeglan on 03 Jun 2010 04:35 PM


Didn't the Sioux (SP?) in book one come through the Mat Trans? or were they Muties that Doc Tanner called Sioux? It seemed the there was a bunch of them after Trader walked away.


I can recall some Samurai warriors coming through the Mat Trans over the course of several books ending with Keepers of the Sun when the group jump to what is left of Japan.
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6/3/2010 6:17 PM
Posted By Daeglan on 03 Jun 2010 04:35 PM


What part was Crater Lake attached to?

I think they were not linked to TC -I think they were called WISPA or some such. I will get the book out tomorrow and check.
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6/17/2010 2:35 AM
i just realized one of the types of Stickies has no mouth... ummmm that doesn't work... they would die in short order... how would they get energy? WTF
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6/17/2010 6:51 AM
Perhaps the suckers on their hands operate as tiny mouths, drawing in precious fluids from the blood of their victims.
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6/17/2010 12:16 PM
I don't have the book handy but I think in Stoneface Ryan sees some different kinds of stickies in the Anthill's bioengineering section.
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6/17/2010 1:55 PM
Maybe the muties with no mouth received nourishment by sticking it up their a...

Nah, forget it.
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6/17/2010 8:30 PM
[argh. Deleted the wrong thing. It was an off-the-cuff joke about Suppositories.  Sorry, Mark...]
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6/18/2010 1:34 AM
To answer the first question (muties):

I've got information on several different types: stickies, scalies, swampies, greenies (they're in Gemini Rising, and appear to come from Washington Hole), trackies (Chill Factor), and troggies (Northstar Rising).

Re: the TC: As Jax mentioned in the other thread you started, there isn't a whole lot of information on the TC as a whole - most of the authors just made up individual operations and projects without worrying about where they actually fit in, because they were assumed to be self-contained (Operation Rat King, for example). Here's what I've got from the DL books:

Project Cerberus

Operation Chronos

Operation Rat King (a bio-computer designed to run nuclear war simulations)

Project Calypso (a super-soldier program)

Project Eurydice (weapons research; Crater Lake)

Project Genesis (the vampires)

Project Janus (I made up the name, but the project is about cloning - it's in Genesis Echo)

Project Styx (weapons research, probably where they came up with the sec hunter droids - Chill Factor).

If you want information on any or all of the above, I can post it or PM you.
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6/19/2010 10:59 AM
Posted By Jax2 on 17 Jun 2010 08:30 PM
[argh. Deleted the wrong thing. It was an off-the-cuff joke about Suppositories.  Sorry, Mark...]
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That's okay...just a spur-of-the-moment (and somewhat tasteless) comment about another kind of mutie.

Speaking of which...

The overview of genetic engineering responsible for most Axlerverse human mutations--and some animal ones--isn't really all that complicated.

You're just going to have accept that searching through DL for the final key to it and the Totality Concept is futile...you'll have to set your sights a hundred years in the future to Outlanders.

That's where it's all laid out--pretty much which Totality Concept division did what and why.
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