)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke  Veteran Member Posts:1060  
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Posted By AP on 05 Apr 2009 08:41 PM
Better add that to the list you're keeping.
Add what ? What I had already told you ?
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 4/6/2009 2:12 PM |
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Cant edit my message but my reply to the comment above is contained within the comment for some reason ?
=============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346 
| 4/6/2009 4:00 PM |
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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 06 Apr 2009 02:10 PM
Posted By AP on 05 Apr 2009 08:41 PM
Better add that to the list you're keeping.
Add what ? What I had already told you ?
Hmmm, you didn’t ask what the heck I was talking about when I said you were “keeping a list.” You just asked what I suggested you put on it (which was: Forgetting Jak’s “True Age”). Have you really been writing down all the DL screw-ups post-LJ? |
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 4/6/2009 5:10 PM |
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Posted By AP on 06 Apr 2009 04:00 PM
Posted By )3az )3aziah on 06 Apr 2009 02:10 PM
Posted By AP on 05 Apr 2009 08:41 PM
Better add that to the list you're keeping.
Add what ? What I had already told you ?
Hmmm, you didn’t ask what the heck I was talking about when I said you were “keeping a list.” You just asked what I suggested you put on it (which was: Forgetting Jak’s “True Age”).
Have you really been writing down all the DL screw-ups post-LJ?
Baz, to clarify, I wasn't being snide in the above. Really, I think it would be a hoot to read a compendium like that. |
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OutlandersVeteran Member Posts:163 
| 4/6/2009 7:24 PM |
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Alan -
Just out of curiousity, how often did you use my DL site that is hosted here? Please be honest. =)
Chris
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 4/6/2009 8:08 PM |
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I did have a list of things that didn't fit post LJ and a full timeline -complete with dates based around the one date given in any of LJ's books (Dectra chain), and that only has a month and date, no year. Chris Van Deelan also had a more rounded timeline that appeared on his web page many years ago -and can be found in the archives here. Lists I had -and most likely do have on a back up disc someplace: Location of Gateways Colour of Gateways to loation Times visited Timeline "Tips of the hat" included in LJ's books and others I have forgotten about. Yes back then I really did not have a ife  Maybe when I retire I will dig it all out and do one fans guide to DL. =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 4/6/2009 8:11 PM |
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Alan,
Don't worry I never thought for a moment you had any intention of being "snide". Its great once more to be posting worthwhile chat with people on JA.com. To long has it been in the doldrums of dispair.
And yes dispite what I said about not running off to South America I enjoyed both of the last two books in the DL series, its a pity you finished as I was just begining to settle to your style.
=============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
Please check out my FLICKR photos
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 4/6/2009 8:22 PM |
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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 06 Apr 2009 08:08 PM
I did have a list of things that didn't fit post LJ and a full timeline -complete with dates based around the one date given in any of LJ's books (Dectra chain), and that only has a month and date, no year.
Chris Van Deelan also had a more rounded timeline that appeared on his web page many years ago -and can be found in the archives here.
Lists I had -and most likely do have on a back up disc someplace:
Location of Gateways
Colour of Gateways to loation
Times visited
Timeline
"Tips of the hat" included in LJ's books
and others I have forgotten about.
Yes back then I really did not have a ife
Maybe when I retire I will dig it all out and do one fans guide to DL.
A timeline that stopped with LJ's work wouldn't point out the discrepancies, variances to canon in subsequent books. Of course to do a complete job, you'd have to reread some of the lesser-loved installments.  Actually, a "One Fan's Guide to DL" (complete with personal material drawn from your interactions with LJ) sounds like an interesting project. |
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 4/6/2009 8:45 PM |
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Posted By Outlanders on 06 Apr 2009 07:24 PM
Alan -
Just out of curiousity, how often did you use my DL site that is hosted here? Please be honest. =)
Chris "Honest"? Sure, that'll make a nice change.  I looked at your DL site for background on characters, setting, storylines, maybe ten times. I was searching for specific details I needed, and the overviews of the plot lines on the site were too broad for that. Not saying your plot overviews weren't helpful. I used the summaries to identify individual titles that seemed pertinent to my search, then hunted down and read the books front to back. |
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skullspliter New Member Posts:63 
| 4/6/2009 9:45 PM |
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Thanks AP for the answer, this is pretty cool to talk to an author and get answers  . |
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OutlandersVeteran Member Posts:163
| 4/6/2009 10:18 PM |
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Alan -
Ok, good to see that you used it once in a while. And when I meant 'honest' you could have easily said that 'sure, I used it extensively' blah blah blah' - but you didn't, and for that I am grateful.
Chris
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rip97000New Member Posts:14 
| 4/7/2009 7:54 AM |
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i stopped reading DL at sky raider. why? for 2 reasons 1 - because it is the same thing EVERY book even during JL. they go someplace new, confront and kill the bad baron and move on. the characters should have a goal (a better one then "find someplace nice and settle down") if the goal is to hunt down bad barons then state it! but they should also find some good ones also. this also leads into 2 - continuity the fact that ryan looses his son and doesn't even think about him really troubles me. if he is gone for a while fine, but don't act like he was never there.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 4/7/2009 10:40 AM |
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Posted By rip97000 on 07 Apr 2009 07:54 AM
i stopped reading DL at sky raider. why? for 2 reasons 1 - because it is the same thing EVERY book even during JL. they go someplace new, confront and kill the bad baron and move on. the characters should have a goal (a better one then "find someplace nice and settle down") if the goal is to hunt down bad barons then state it! but they should also find some good ones also. this also leads into 2 - continuity the fact that ryan looses his son and doesn't even think about him really troubles me. if he is gone for a while fine, but don't act like he was never there. Can't fault your second reason for being ticked off, because I agree with it. But as to the first, out of the 12 books I've written in the series I think only 3 had "barons" (in LJ's use of the term) -- and one of those books had a "good" baron (Sunspot). I tried to introduce conflicts other than feudal squabbling in my books because it bored the pants off me, too. But there have to be "bad" guys or the main characters won't have anything to do (to kill). I mean, sitting around a campfire, eating rat-on-a-stick, and scratching their backsides isn't going to fill up 300 pages of manuscript. Well, I guess it could but who'd want to read it?  |
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Corporal ChaosNew Member Posts:5
| 4/7/2009 8:19 PM |
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OK this is a tall order. For me I would like to see more variety in the core group and perhaps visit on their mortality a bit. I'd like to see more of the outrages fantastical scifi mutant content from the first book. I truely want to see the people age, Dean can only be 12 and Jak only 16 for a short time. C'mon already, OK? I know that their adventures since the Brody school have taken more than 3 or 4 weeks.  Enough said there. And this is a place of wonderous unbeleavable things in a time of terror and rediscovery. I have alot of catching up to do as I am just learning of Crows fate so do let me know if some things have changed but please do not tell me the details.  Hope this was constructive. I do love the Deathlands and Outlanders bools. The Corporal is on the floor. |
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rip97000New Member Posts:14
| 4/7/2009 11:15 PM |
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Posted By AP on 07 Apr 2009 10:40 AM
Can't fault your second reason for being ticked off, because I agree with it. But as to the first, out of the 12 books I've written in the series I think only 3 had "barons" (in LJ's use of the term) -- and one of those books had a "good" baron Sunspot). I tried to introduce conflicts other than feudal squabbling in my books because it bored the pants off me, too. But there have to be "bad" guys or the main characters won't have anything to do (to kill). I mean, sitting around a campfire, eating rat-on-a-stick, and scratching their backsides isn't going to fill up 300 pages of manuscript. Well, I guess it could but who'd want to read it?
i understand the need for conflict, otherwise it would be even duller. but with 80+ in one series alone the conflict needs a little more variety. i forgot the overall theme in my earlier post - i was bored of the series |
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skullspliterNew Member Posts:63
| 4/8/2009 12:19 AM |
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That is true finding new things to write about for a 80+ series is kind of hard, Another thing with all the barons and other bad guys killed the group is quite infamous, famous i picked up on this in a couple books. i have been reading form the book 1 and up not even halve way yet and on top of it I'm reading the new ones. But as of late this 2nd tour in the middle east is putting reading the of the older ones on hold for now  . But in the long run the story has to move on if that codex Mildred is righting is going to be used in OL. |
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| 4/8/2009 9:32 AM |
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Posted By skullspliter on 08 Apr 2009 12:19 AM
But in the long run the story has to move on if that codex Mildred is righting is going to be used in OL. She started writing it way back in Dark Emblem...she ought to be done with the 1st draft by now! |
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| 4/8/2009 1:08 PM |
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Posted By rip97000 on 07 Apr 2009 07:54 AM
i stopped reading DL at sky raider. why? for 2 reasons 1 - because it is the same thing EVERY book even during JL. they go someplace new, confront and kill the bad baron and move on. the characters should have a goal (a better one then "find someplace nice and settle down") if the goal is to hunt down bad barons then state it! but they should also find some good ones also. this also leads into 2 - continuity the fact that ryan looses his son and doesn't even think about him really troubles me. if he is gone for a while fine, but don't act like he was never there. I meant to mention that is the main reason I became disgruntled with DL and eventually jumped ship entirely to Outlanders (there are other reasons, like what I called 'The Dumbening'). Outlanders had book to book continuity, character and plot development and time actually passed. Its now over five "OL" years since the 1st book and the series and characters are definately not the same as it was back then. I got really bored of how the DL characters seemed to suffer from amensia at the beginning of each new book, completely forgetting what had happened supposedly only a few days or few minutes before. If they didn't care about what happend why should the reader?  |
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| 4/14/2009 12:00 PM |
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Outlanders had book to book continuity, character and plot development
and time actually passed. Its now over five "OL" years since the 1st
book and the series and characters are definitely not the same as it
was back then.
I didn't know this. Thanks for the info. Some of you will recall my first post where I mentioned that even though I've read all of the Deathland books, I have yet crack an Outlander book. I have accumulated a couple of dozen of them but haven't started the series yet because I'm always misplacing the first book. Question is, will I be handicapped if I read the books in order but maybe skip a few in the process? Or should I get the missing books before proceeding to the next? Thanks for the feedback. Victor
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| 4/14/2009 2:46 PM |
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Posted By EZ-E on 14 Apr 2009 12:00 PM
Question is, will I be handicapped if I read the books in order but maybe skip a few in the process? Or should I get the missing books before proceeding to the next?
Personally I'd recommend reading the first 7 books in order from Exile to Hell through Iceblood then you can probably skip around. There are flashpoint and benchmark books in the series where things change--The Imperator war trilogy (Doom Dynasty, Tigers of Heaven & Purgatory Road), The Dragon Kings 2 parter (Devil in the moon and Dragoneye), Talon and Fang, and of course the MAJOR flashpoint book--Children of the Serpent. Other fans might have other recommendations though. |
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