You know I'm real sorry I posted here, I guess you can't carry out a real civilised conversation with someone like you.

Aw, heck.

And just as we were bonding...

LOL

Me too...

So I started Eden's Twilight about a month and a half ago. Got distracted by work, plus took time to read S.M. Stirling's "Island in the Sea of Time", but now that I am back to it I am starting to like the second half much more than I did the first half. Who knows, it may turn out to be a halfway decent book.

I tried to enjoy this one but failed. About 50% of the way through I started to get bored with it all and then the stupid silly mistakes appeared !

I guess you have to put a lot of the blame on Nick for sloppy writing, but some of it has to go against the editors (or proof readers -they do have these don't they ?) who should have picked up on this before it went to print.

Again another trough in the roller coaster ride that is Deathlands !

Wait a min,did I see AOEC get banned from the DL's forums?

I kind of hope so.  I'm pretty new to these forums, but that guy was a little over the top in a bad way in my opinion.  I actually had some responses I wanted to make to some posts but I was fearfull that AOEC would take it out of contex and run off on some weird tangent.

All and all i have to say the second half was better
 After reading all the post on this thread it doesn't get dull around here

Posted By Diablo on 10 Jul 2009 11:30 PM
Wait a min,did I see AOEC get banned from the DL's forums?

Yes.

Posted By Ron Miles on 11 Jul 2009 08:24 AM

Posted By Diablo on 10 Jul 2009 11:30 PM
Wait a min,did I see AOEC get banned from the DL's forums?

Yes.

As one of the veteran members he so feared and despised, I knew it was only a matter of time.

Posted By Ron Miles on 11 Jul 2009 08:24 AM

Posted By Diablo on 10 Jul 2009 11:30 PM
Wait a min,did I see AOEC get banned from the DL's forums?

Yes.

Okay, the guy's gone, and I agree his tone was objectionable at times, but the thing is, he was correct about the gun terminology. IMHO, he was also correct about the appropriate use of detail in speculative fiction. It's one thing to invent stickies, scalies, swampies, etc., out of whole cloth, but if an author refers to a familiar--if not everyday--object in the real world it either needs to match the accepted definition/description/function, or there needs to be an explanation why it doesn't.

A stickie can eat ground glass for breakfast, but a Ford Escort shouldn't be able to FLY unless the author explains how it got WINGS.

I just want to be clear on this, because I don't want the thread to become a derail on banning people:

AOEC had valid comments about weaponry, and there was even a grain of truth in his objection that new members on this board are sometimes treated poorly by veteran members. That second thing is something that I have been making an effort to address, although personal and work issues kept me from really moderating the board properly for pretty much the entire month of June.

That being said, he was banned because of posts and private messages he sent that were abusive and completely beyond the pale. The relevant public messages have been either edited or deleted by me. Had he not made those posts, he would still be a member here.

Posted By Ron Miles on 11 Jul 2009 11:30 AM
That being said, he was banned because of posts and private messages he sent that were abusive and completely beyond the pale. The relevant public messages have been either edited or deleted by me. Had he not made those posts, he would still be a member here.

The truly ironic thing is, Another One Eye Chiller was banned because his attitude and behavior was essentially identical to a former and multiply-banned veteran member...good ol' One Eye Chills.

That screen name might be cursed.

Not sure if this has been talked to death yet but Just to clarify...this is Docs present weapon...its plain and simple a museum piece and for good reason.

http://www.ahffirearms.co...ucts/STUARTLEMAT.asp

It took an expert up to 90 SECONDS to reload this monster...basically eternity in combat.


Here's the original that LJ set him up with:

http://civilwarhandgun.com/lemat.jpg

I know my firearms as well but its never ceased to amaze me how people get so wound up about minor errors.1% or less of the people who read these books knows enough to even notice and the books are FICTION...LOL....In my opinion that's just not enough to get upset about and get yourself banned over. lack of flow and disruption of cannon get me FAR more frustrated then if an author has mistaken a rim fire cartridge for a center fire or given a round the wrong grain etc.

As for regulars "picking" on Newbies...that was a much bigger problem in the past and I have happily noticed that its toned down now to almost be no existent. There are a couple that have always stirred the pot and seem to look for it but their approach is subtler now and more of minor hit and run stuff...easily ignore. Great kudos to Ron for dealing with this problem and allowing members to post their thoughts openly and civilly without being jeered and ridiculed by a small minority of "board snobs".

Personally I like the LeMat and think Doc should keep it. It adds to his character to have an eclectic personal weapon since he is an eclectic character. Doc is no Mack Bolan or John Thomas Roarke by any means!

The one thing I would do though is have Doc pick up a second handgun---a Colt M1917 .45 revolver---double action, easily reloaded, fairly standard caliber in .45 ACP (Doc would need to find a nice supply of half-moons with it), and old fashioned and nostalgic enough to stay in character.

Posted By mikeclr on 13 Jul 2009 10:34 AM
Personally I like the LeMat and think Doc should keep it. It adds to his character to have an eclectic personal weapon since he is an eclectic character. Doc is no Mack Bolan or John Thomas Roarke by any means!

The one thing I would do though is have Doc pick up a second handgun---a Colt M1917 .45 revolver---double action, easily reloaded, fairly standard caliber in .45 ACP (Doc would need to find a nice supply of half-moons with it), and old fashioned and nostalgic enough to stay in character.

In a lot of pulp fiction, “suspension of disbelief” is taken to the max. Swallowing Doc’s use of the LeMat falls into that category (WHERE DOES HE GET PRIMERS?!)—the choice is odd, fun (makes for interesting situations), and as mikeclr said, it’s in character as Doc is one hard-headed, cantankerous SOB from the past.

Now that I have some hindsight having been off the series for five months, I kind of like the idea that Doc never explains to the others why he refuses to carry a cased cartridge weapon. What is implied, at least IMO, is that at some level he has still not accepted his trawl to the future, or the advancements/reality of that future. Remember, only he and Mildred experienced the world before nukeday. He far more than she is a bug trapped in amber. That is part of his tragedy and his appeal.

I agree 100% with Alan's reasoning for docs refusal to part with the Le Mat. As for an alternate gun for him to carry, my choice for a older person such as him would more then likely be a Glock 17. Lots of stopping power with plentiful 9mm parabellum ammo all over the world. Its the most commonly used pistol by law enforcement all over the world. The ammo is like pennies...it'll be here after the cockroaches are all gone..LOL. I recently bought one for my 12 year old son to shoot at the range. Nice weight and manageable recoil with good muzzle velocity so you don't suffer stopping power. A similar gun would be far more suitable for Kristy then her now rare 38...Ammo is plentiful but the gun itself is a dinosaur. Maybe a G21 with very common .45 ammo or even a G20 but of course 10MM is less common then 9mil or .45. The extra blunt would probably make up for that though..LOL. The 10 MIl is on the rise now though but for the purists it would be hard to swallow since the Nukcaust happened in 2001.

Realistically a Glock 17 would be a good, practical choice...but from a pulp fiction perspective...the common place Glock is just too boringgggggg...kinda plain vanilla to me...

Well if your looking for an "exciting" little 9 Mil with the glocks trusty stopping power a Ruger P series would fit.  Either the P89 with Nickel finish or the synthetic Polymer  P95. More kick with the 95 consequently less accuracy because of the lighter weight but no sacrifice on blunt.

I just can't see Doc fightin' with ANY type of modern or advanced weaponry...he seems strictly "old school"...