twinsrule26 Basic Member Posts:109  
| 2/6/2012 1:29 AM |
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OK so here is a couple of other small questions.
1. In "Perdition Valley" the cyborg Delphi list off a number of other coldfire agents killed by the friends including Dr. Tardy, Silas, Overton , Lord Kinnison . I don't remember all of these bad guys ,so I'm asking were they all created by the same author who wrote "Perdition Valley"?
2.Is Coldfire a crossover from the Outlander series ?
3. The tech used by the cyborg in fact the cyborg himself seemed to me to be way to futuristic for the the Deathlands series where did the ideas for all that tech come from.
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twinsrule26Basic Member Posts:109
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KerrickBasic Member Posts:322
| 3/14/2012 1:20 AM |
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1: Ethel Tardy is from Crater Lake (LJ); Silas is from Dark Emblem (Terry Collins), Overton is in the Baronies Trilogy (Pollotta), and Kinnison is in the Skydark Chronicles (Pollotta again). Pollotta also wrote Perdition Valley, but I don't get where Tardy and Jamaivous are Coldfire agents...
2. Not to my knowledge, but I'm sure someone who knows the OL books better could say for sure. Given that Pollotta's never written any OL books, I'm guessing no.
3. That's an odd question, considering we're dealing with the Totality Concept (you know, mat-trans, space stations, high-tech weapons, cryogenesis, etc., etc.). Androids of a sort appeared in Stoneface (Mark Ellis); the people in the Anthill have cybernetics along with replacement organs. The Magus (whom LJ created) also has prosthetic parts.
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Maximus Advanced Member Posts:518 
| 3/14/2012 6:51 AM |
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Sorry, but Polatta has been so far his game of recent years, I don't know...nor care.  |
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke  Veteran Member Posts:1060 
| 3/14/2012 8:03 PM |
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Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM
Silas is from Dark Emblem (Terry Collins)
Silas was created by Mark and killed off by Nick Potato  much to Marks annoyance. I know Mark went into this in some detail either here on JA.com or on his own site a good while back. Perhaps if Mark reads this he can fill in the blanks or correct me? See here: http://www.jamesaxler.com...j/2/Default.aspx#665in a post dated 24 March 2009 from Mark re Silas. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 3/14/2012 8:05 PM |
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Posted By twinsrule26 on 06 Feb 2012 01:29 AM
OK so here is a couple of other small questions.
...Is Coldfire a crossover from the Outlander series ?
No, I believe Coldfire was another Nick Potato invention to suit his own ends. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 3/14/2012 8:07 PM |
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Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM
3. That's an odd question, considering we're dealing with the Totality Concept (you know, mat-trans, space stations, high-tech weapons, cryogenesis, etc., etc.). Androids of a sort appeared in Stoneface (Mark Ellis); the people in the Anthill have cybernetics along with replacement organs. The Magus (whom LJ created) also has prosthetic parts.
I agree, but Magus was created by Jack Adrian and only mentioned and later adapted by Laurence later. Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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twinsrule26Basic Member Posts:109
| 3/15/2012 9:33 AM |
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Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM
3. That's an odd question, considering we're dealing with the Totality Concept (you know, mat-trans, space stations, high-tech weapons, cryogenesis, etc., etc.). Androids of a sort appeared in Stoneface (Mark Ellis); the people in the Anthill have cybernetics along with replacement organs. The Magus (whom LJ created) also has prosthetic parts.
I see why you would say that . Ok what I was trying to say was that the tech used was to my thinking way to high tech even for the DL series . I know we all have to take things with a grain of suspended reality to enjoy the world created by the DL authors . Its just that to me the things Delphi used came out of left field and would have fit in better in the Shadow world book, the equipment he had just seemed to me to be out on the edge of DL believability. Still I enjoyed that book and most of the others in this series . |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269 
| 3/16/2012 1:00 PM |
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Posted By )3az )3aziah on 14 Mar 2012 08:03 PM
Posted By Kerrick on 14 Mar 2012 01:20 AM
Silas is from Dark Emblem (Terry Collins)
Silas was created by Mark and killed off by Nick Potato much to Marks annoyance.
I know Mark went into this in some detail either here on JA.com or on his own site a good while back. Perhaps if Mark reads this he can fill in the blanks or correct me?
See here:
http://www.jamesaxler.com...j/2/Default.aspx#665
in a post dated 24 March 2009 from Mark re Silas.
Jim
Silas Torrance Burr AKA Silas Jamaisvous was first referred to in the inaugural Outlanders novel, Exile to Hell, as the project overseer for Operation Chronos.
He was referenced several times later in Outlanders as Erica Van Sloan's boyfriend.
I was less annoyed by Pollotta killing off Silas than I was by the way he changed an urbane, witty and resourceful villain (as characterized by Terry Collins in Dark Emblem) into a garden variety DL sex pervert bad guy.
But one thing you had to get used to when working for Gold Eagle...everything gets dumbed-down to its lowest common denominator level eventually.
post edited by Ron Miles for formatting
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 3/16/2012 7:47 PM |
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Mark,
Thank you for correcting me on that point, the thread I had in mind was quite a few years ago and its exact content has been lost inside my ever aging mind.
Did anyone ever ask just WHERE you got the name Jamaisvous from?
Jim
=============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 3/16/2012 8:22 PM |
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As I recall, the then-OL and DL editor Eva Kovacs asked me about the name. She thought it was cool...but then again, she was a very discerning and high-class lady.
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KerrickBasic Member Posts:322
| 3/22/2012 1:13 AM |
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Baz: Thanks for setting me straight... someone needs to keep me honest.  Course, I didn't know that Mark had anonymously co-authored Dark Emblem, so I should be excused on that point (that thread was an interesting read, BTW). I have read Exile to Hell, and I totally forgot he'd been mentioned there as well. Or that Magus had been mentioned in PtH (it must've been a throwaway reference like Cooperville, the town Trader wiped out). Edit: Now I remember... when the stickies attack the convoy, it's mentioned (IIRC; my copy is buried in a box) that they suddenly appeared and that Magus was responsible (implying that he created them). I also forgot that according to Adrian's original notes, Teague was the one with the metal face, but that got changed later (shame on me; I put that info on the wiki, too!). His first actual appearance wasn't until Eclipse at Noon, the last book LJ wrote before the ghost writers took over (excluding Crucible of Time). Twins: I've read precisely one book with Delphi (the one where - spoiler! - he gets eaten by a kraken), so I can't speak much to the advanced tech he uses. I know in that book, the companions find crates of replacement (synthetic) body parts in a redoubt, which they chuck into the gate and send all over Deathlands, but we've got that kind of tech already, for the most part. |
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 3/22/2012 1:53 PM |
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I didn't co-write Dark Emblem, although I had input into the plot, partly because that book featured something of a crossover with Outlanders. Terry Collins wrote that book and I did do some tweaking on it, but nothing major.
Back in those halycon days when Eva Kovacs was the editor, she encouraged those kind of links between DL and Outlanders and she encouraged communication between the writers...something the execuive editor hated with a passion. It took him years to accept the concept of email...and the fact that a Canadian editor couldn't order American writers who they could and could not talk to.
Anyway...I was not the co-writer of Dark Emblem. At best I was an editorial consultant.
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KerrickBasic Member Posts:322
| 3/22/2012 2:43 PM |
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Oh wow... I checked the dates, and Exile to Hell predates Dark Emblem. I feel like such a dunce now. I'll have to update the wiki - thanks for that. Oh, while I'm here... did you have any input on Bitter Fruit, or know what the deal was with Long Johnson? He implies that he was also a successful time-trawl victim (it makes sense that the whitecoats would want a backup plan if Doc didn't work out), but how did he end up in 2099? Oh, and double post.  |
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)3az )3aziahBritish Bloke Veteran Member Posts:1060
| 3/22/2012 8:07 PM |
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Mark, it is always a pleasure to read your posts -especially in stereo    Jim =============================== Billy Fish: He wants to know if we are gods.
Peachy Carnehan: Not gods - Englishmen. The next best thing.
Please check out my FLICKR photos
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 3/23/2012 9:41 PM |
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You know how it is, Jim--repetition is the only that thing works around here. Think how many posts and how many years it took for people to finally learn that Laurence James had nothing to do with the creation of Outlanders.
Kerrick--Mel Odom discussed Bitter Fruit with me during the writing process, but I had no input on it...I do have a recollection of him saying that Long Johnson and that Special Ops group they ran into were Operation Chronos experiments...I think Mel intended to bring both Johnson and the Ops group back at some point, but I don't guess he ever did.
However, the UK setting of the giant tree reappeared in Outlanders Savage Sun and Hell Rising.
Those were the good ol'days when Eva encouraged the writers to think outside of the Stupid Box.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346 
| 3/24/2012 1:44 AM |
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"Those were the good ol'days when Eva encouraged the writers to think outside of the Stupid Box."
And where did that get her?
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Jax2Published Author Veteran Member Posts:269
| 3/24/2012 1:01 PM |
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I wasn't evaluating the ultimate worth of Eva's attempts and accomplishments.
Obvioiusly, the Gold Eagle editorial model is to seek the lowest common denominator...and since that's easy to do, they usually achieved it.
It's significant that all the really stupid shit like rut farms, gasoline powered gateways, pedophiliac overtones, crab-scorpions and on my side of the aisle, Team Phoenix, all came about post-Eva.
Even if she ended up being fired or what, there are still a handful of us out there--me, you, Will Murray, Terry Colllins, the late Michael Kasner and even Mike Herring--who still fondly remember Eva's attempts to impose a higher standard.
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APPublished Author Veteran Member Posts:346
| 3/24/2012 2:27 PM |
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And remember Eva as a friend who is still sorely missed.
AP
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OneFallenShadow New Member Posts:29
| 3/25/2012 3:14 AM |
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Just out of curiosity... Are there stickies in the Outlander series? I've only read a handful (compared the owning the entire DL collection) and don't recall reading about them. Stickies are mentioned in every Deathlands book, I think... But are they still around in Outlanders? |
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